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  Could you eat breakfast after watching this at Bethel?

  by Dogpatch in

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  this is a partial video of the morning breakfast table in brooklyn bethel in the late 80s, with lyman swingle hosting... the governing body member who at first tried to shelter ray franz from disfellowshipping, but then within a year or two his spirit was broken and he was a bitter man.. randy (i was there and it was death-dealing, like the death eaters from harry potter!).

  address of windows media file if you don't see anything:.

  http://www.randytv.com/swinglebreakfast.wmv.

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  Though many were, just breaking their vow (which was a horrible sin, not a DF but almost).

  Really? Wow, could you elaborate on this more? I never knew that! Damn.
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  Holy Spirit in Judicial Committees

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  one of the most controversial practices of jehovah's witnesses is the operation of judicial committees.

  these specially-assigned inquisitory boards are manned by at least 3 elders and interrogate, investigate and finally prosecute a person believed to be guilty of any number of offenses.

  these offenses can be anything from heavy drinking, masturbation, swearing to infidelity, apostacy even issues of bloodguilt.

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  No one got DF'd on my watch!!

  Glad to hear that!

  punk makes an interesting observation concerning how the WTBS seems to be run like a corporation that is worried about being sued. That was my thoughts exactly. The whole BS about the blood parts, Hustler bad vs. Playboy okay pornography debate, oral sex okay/not okay during marriage debate, 7 day appeals........ all just legal mumbo jumbo to help cut lawsuits down. Well if God is so powerful and always victorious, why does he need legal counsel? Ahhh, the ol' What Does God Need With a Starship question.....
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  Holy Spirit in Judicial Committees

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  one of the most controversial practices of jehovah's witnesses is the operation of judicial committees.

  these specially-assigned inquisitory boards are manned by at least 3 elders and interrogate, investigate and finally prosecute a person believed to be guilty of any number of offenses.

  these offenses can be anything from heavy drinking, masturbation, swearing to infidelity, apostacy even issues of bloodguilt.

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  Exactly, Sab. And if they admit to making wrong verdicts, then why is there no accountability for the hurt they've caused, even if they may have actually been well-meaning?
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  Could you eat breakfast after watching this at Bethel?

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is a partial video of the morning breakfast table in brooklyn bethel in the late 80s, with lyman swingle hosting... the governing body member who at first tried to shelter ray franz from disfellowshipping, but then within a year or two his spirit was broken and he was a bitter man.. randy (i was there and it was death-dealing, like the death eaters from harry potter!).

  address of windows media file if you don't see anything:.

  http://www.randytv.com/swinglebreakfast.wmv.

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  What did Swingle mean about 'good news from Europe'?

  He meant they were gonna tour again.

  thank you, good night! Tip your waitress.
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  Holy Spirit in Judicial Committees

  by Mr. Falcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the most controversial practices of jehovah's witnesses is the operation of judicial committees.

  these specially-assigned inquisitory boards are manned by at least 3 elders and interrogate, investigate and finally prosecute a person believed to be guilty of any number of offenses.

  these offenses can be anything from heavy drinking, masturbation, swearing to infidelity, apostacy even issues of bloodguilt.

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  One of the most controversial practices of Jehovah's Witnesses is the operation of Judicial Committees. These specially-assigned inquisitory boards are manned by at least 3 elders and interrogate, investigate and finally prosecute a person believed to be guilty of any number of offenses. These offenses can be anything from heavy drinking, masturbation, swearing to infidelity, apostacy even issues of bloodguilt. The official WTBS company line is that this practice is necessary to keep the congregation clean and "lovingly" help the "spiritually-sick" individual (defendant).

  "Sister Greatass, we want to help you spiritually. By the way.....on the night

  in question, what kind of panties were you wearing?'

  Being raised and sheltered inside the Watchtower Cave, certian beliefs were instilled in me. Since being mentally-free of the cult's teachings (hopefully physically, one day...) I have found it rather interesting to reflect back on what I felt before "waking up" and trying to determine why I felt such a way.

  It wasn't until I got appointed and got a glimpse of what goes on behind that scenes that I got my first sight of the horror that has always been viewed by most JWs as "justice". Elders began to confide in me regarding certain "judicial" matters, thinking they were training me as a MS soon to be elder. The things that I was told were horrifying and many of their verdicts, even scarier. I won't go on and on with the details, since so many here have experience first-hand what this painful process can do to you. And it's not exactly the point of this thread to talk about every single facet of every questionable JC verdict.

  What I did want to speak about is how I viewed such things in my ignorance. I was under the belief, as I get the impression that many rank & file JWs are too, that the elders would deal with a person is this type of setting, hear all the evidence, testimony and circumstances, and then would turn to Jehovah for an answer. This belief was reminiscent of how Moses would deal with issues involving the Isrealites. Something would happen, Moses would ask Jehovah, and God would miracously produce some "sign" as to what to do. Or God would just come out and say what he wanted. Either way, according to the Bible stories, Moses would have a definite answer from the Almighty. Case closed. And I, and perhaps others, believed that this sure-shot way of requesting God's decision on a matter was still in practice today, especially in the case of judicial matters.

  I seemed to believe that after hearing the matter, they would pray to Jehovah, and he would suddenly make the answer appear to them, even if in their heads. Sort of like how the WTBS speaks of those who are supposidly "annointed". If you are one of these 144,000 then you will just know that you are. Hey, good enough for me! Not like I was allowed to think too deeply or question anything, anyhow.

  "God just spoke to me and told me that he's guilty."

  "God spoke to you? That's proof enough for me!"

  But as I mentioned before, all that changed when I got to see the real truth about "The Truth". Individual bias, vendettas, complete abandonment of referring to the Bible in some instances, and personal judgement instead of "seeking God's thoughts" replaced any supposed "holy spirit". In fact, between all the intimate questioning regarding underwear styles, sexual positions, revenge-inspired verdicts and elders getting erections from hearing "juicy" testimony, I hardly think there is any room for the one known as God.

  So, has anyone else had these feelings at one time? The belief that Holy Spirit was this infalliable, magical power that always ensured that justice was carried out?
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  So what do ya'll think about the recent new light?

  by stillin9 in

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  you know, the thing they were talking about in the 2011 dc.

  it was about how the "toes" of daniel's image no longer represent all the individual governments that have come around in human history.

  and that the anglo-american world power is the last world power we'll see before the end of the system of things.

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  hahah wow. I haven't even gone yet this year to this stupid pep rally session (and I'm hoping to get out of going). Personally, I never quite understood the WTBS line of world powers as it was taught to me growing up. A lot of nations that are super-powers (China, Russia, etc.) never made the list. What about Spain (when they had their Armada?) What about the mighty Turkish empire? Despite what the morons in the WT writing department think, these kingdoms/nations/whatever you want to call them played PIVOTAL roles in human history. As usual the watchtower cult dumbs everything down so as to suit their own interpretations and agenda.
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  Opinion-Is This Clear Evidence that Jehovah's Holy Spirit is with The Watchtower?

  by DavinciCodeBreaker in

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  i was having a discussion with an aquaintance about if there was evidence that the watchtower has jehovah's holy spirit.

  he said, "given the fact that no other organization has won more supreme court cases than jehovah's witnesses to protect their religious freedom in north america and abroad is unrefutable evidence of jehovah's blessing by means of his holy spirit".. your thoughts?.

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  I agree with sd-7. There have been entire countries that have been founded to overcome religious persecution. Many other religious groups face imprisonment, torture and government interference. Or they face persecution from neighboring religions. But none of that matters to the average, tunnel-vision JW. It's "us vs. them". And that's that.

  Just look how they respond to natural disasters. When they see horrific events happen, they aren't really moved by the suffering by everyday people. But when a letter is read that a KH was destroyed or a couple of sisters died, the whole congregation is moaning with grief.

  so to answer the original question of this thread, no. That is NOT evidence of Jehovah's spirit. One has to consider the broader picture overall of all people and groups who face these problems. That's like saying the Cowboys Dynasty in the 90's is evidence of God blessing Jerry Jones. If your a diehard Cowboys fan, you may put some stock in that, but if your a rational person (even if you're a rational Cowboys fan) you know better.
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  "Drugs are demonic, mmmmkay?"

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  i hope everyone is having a wonderful summer filled with district conventions and auxillary pioneering.

  just kidding, let's talk drugs.. as a kid growing up in the mid-80's and through the 90's, we had all kinds of lame, pointless anti-drug programs at school.

  the most common one was the d.a.r.e.

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  Dr. Gonzo was definetly a demon.
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  Why Some Cannot "See" that the Bible is NOT the Word of God

  by AGuest in

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  to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace.

  some of you may have recently observed some discussions regarding what... or rather, who... the word of god is, truly.

  in those and other threads, some participants weren't able to grasp the difference between discussion vs. contention... and defending their own faith... and love of god and christ... vs. ramming their [mis]assumptions as to the "vengeance of god"... down others' throats.

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  Shelby, I hope all is well with you!

  Very intresting argument you make here. Very logical.

  Would it be correct in believing that if the Bible is not the word of God, and has been too much tampered with by human hands and interests, then it is equally futile (if not more so) to attempt to organize an earthly organization claiming to represent God (e.g. WTBS, the Catholic Church, etc.)? Your thoughts, please.

  MF
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  The New Awake is Ridiculous! Special Issue about Childrearing

  by serenitynow! in

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  i have just skimmed it, but the parts i've read are laughable!

  they talk about how "complete control" is unscriptural and "usually backfires!

  " i guess that doesn't apply to the gb controlling it's jw subjects.

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  I have future plans that involve breathing. And besides, Brad, . . . I thought you were too smart to smoke!”

  and then Brad says, "Well, perhaps I can introduce you in this!" at which point he smothers her with a chloroform-soaked rag.

  damn right, Mr. Falcon is back.